Speaking to the California Conference of Arson Investigators
Barry Zalma
Oct 25, 2023
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On October 19, 2023 I had the honor to speak to the California Conference of Arson Investigators Annual Seminar in San Louis Obisbo, California on taking the profit out of arson for profit. I learned as much from my audience as they learned from me and firefighters, arson investigators and federal investigators learned about the rights and duties of insurers and arson investigators when fraud – by definition arson-for-profit – is suspected.
Part of my talk included:
Most structures are Insured against the Peril of Fire.
Arson damages property by fire.
Arson is not excluded.
Few insurance companies are equipped to deal with an arson-for-profit.
Arson is a crime involving fire.
Damage by fire is indemnified by insurance.
There is no “arson defense” in an insurance policy.
An arson fire is only a fire – a named peril the risk of loss of which is insured.
I explained the Importance of parts of California statutes like:
California Penal Code Section 550(a) It is unlawful to do any of the following, or to aid, abet, solicit, or conspire with any person to do any of the following:(1) Knowingly present or cause to be presented any false or fraudulent claim for the payment of a loss or injury….
California Penal Code Section 550(5) Knowingly prepare, make, or subscribe any writing, with the intent to present or use it, or to allow it to be presented, in support of any false or fraudulent claim.
(b) It is unlawful to do, or to knowingly assist or conspire with any person to do, any of the following:(1) Present or cause to be presented any written or oral statement as part of, or in support of or opposition to, a claim for payment or other benefit pursuant to an insurance policy, knowing that the statement contains any false or misleading information concerning any material fact.(2) Prepare or make any written or oral statement that is intended to be presented to any insurer … knowing that the statement contains any false or misleading information concerning any material fact.
California Insurance Code Section 1871.1
Insurers and their agents, while they are investigating suspected fraud claims, shall have access to all relevant public records …
California Insurance Code Section 1875.2
If any insurer has reason to suspect that a fire loss was caused by incendiary means, the insurer shall furnish an authorized agency with all relevant information acquired during its investigation of the fire loss and cooperate in an investigation by an authorized agency.
California Insurance Code Section 1875.3
An authorized agency shall notify the insurer, if known, and at the expense of the insurer, whenever it has reason to believe that a fire loss was not accidentally caused.
The agency shall also release to the claimant’s insurer specific information regarding the fire loss at the earliest time possible unless it determines that an ongoing investigation would be jeopardized.
California Insurance Code Section 1875.4 In the absence of fraud or malice, no insurer or person acting in its behalf who (a) furnishes information whether oral or written, pursuant to this article, or (b) assists in any investigation conducted by an authorized agency, shall be liable for damages in a civil action, nor shall any authorized agency which releases information pursuant to this chapter be liable for damages in a civil action.The act of furnishing information required pursuant to this article shall not constitute an act of fraud or malice.I then provided several examples of arson for profit schemes that were defeated by arson investigators working together with insurers and the investigators and claims people working with the insurers.
Details are available from some of my books like:
Insurance Fraudsters Deserve No Quarter Available as a paperback here. Available as a hardcover here. Available as a Kindle Book here.
The Examination Under Oath to Resolve Insurance Claims Available as a Kindle book Available as a paperback. Available as a hardcover.
Insurance Fraud – Volume I & Volume II Second Edition, Available as a Kindle book; Available as a Hardcover; Available as a Paperback & Available as a Kindle book; Available as a Hardcover; Available as a Paperback
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Case Overview
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Case Background:
This appeal arises from a coverage dispute under a Directors & Officers (D&O) insurance policy. Jeffrey B. Scott, the plaintiff-appellant, was terminated from his role as CEO, President, and Secretary of Gemini Financial Holdings, LLC in October 2019. Following his termination, Scott threatened legal action against Gemini, and ...
A Claim by Any Other Name is not a Claim
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It is Imperative that Insured Report Potential Claim to Insurers
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In Jeffrey B. Scott v. Certain Underwriters At Lloyd’s, London, Subscribing To Policy No. B0901li1837279, RLI Insurance Company, Certain Underwriters At Lloyds, London And The Insurance Company, Subscribing To Policy No. B0180fn2102430, No. 24-12441, United States Court of Appeals, Eleventh Circuit (August 25, 2025) the court explained the need for a claim to obtain coverage.
Case Background:
This appeal arises from a coverage dispute under a Directors & Officers (D&O) insurance policy. Jeffrey B. Scott, the plaintiff-appellant, was terminated from his role as CEO, President, and Secretary of Gemini Financial Holdings, LLC in October 2019. Following his termination, Scott threatened legal action against Gemini, and ...
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When I finished my three year enlistment in the US Army as a Special Agent of US Army Intelligence in 1967, I sought employment where I could use the investigative skills I learned in the Army. After some searching I was hired as a claims trainee by the Fireman’s Fund American Insurance Company. For five years, while attending law school at night while working full time as an insurance adjuster I became familiar with every aspect of the commercial insurance industry.
On January 2, 1972 I was admitted to the California Bar. I practiced law, specializing in insurance claims, insurance coverage and defense of claims against people insured and defense of insurance companies sued for breach of contract and breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. After 45 years as an active lawyer, I asked that my license to practice law be declared inactive ...
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© 2025 Barry Zalma, Esq., CFE
When I finished my three year enlistment in the US Army as a Special Agent of US Army Intelligence in 1967, I sought employment where I could use the investigative skills I learned in the Army. After some searching I was hired as a claims trainee by the Fireman’s Fund American Insurance Company. For five years, while attending law school at night while working full time as an insurance adjuster I became familiar with every aspect of the commercial insurance industry.
On January 2, 1972 I was admitted to the California Bar. I practiced law, specializing in insurance claims, insurance coverage and defense of claims against people insured and defense of insurance companies sued for breach of contract and breach of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing. After 45 years as an active lawyer, I asked that my license to practice law be declared inactive and became a consultant and expert witness for lawyers representing insurers and lawyers ...
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